Hi there,

I was saying since start that the youth sistem we had at start was broken and so the training. The only decision Nicmo took about was to just nerf training gain as a solution to keep the gap beetween new players spawned and older lower. But, after so many seasons, i feel like game is not improving at all but just going lower and lower.

To make it clear, i find completly bad that now, after players have hit their "prime" and gains per training are lowering, the difference beetween players quality( stars ) doesnt  justify the price. Owning 4 stars vs 5 stars dont seems to have any major difference to justify the MAJOR price difference( which by the way, is just double). IF someone is just willing to look over training formula, at age 24 of players where we are now for those spawned from start +/-, the difference on skills gained is 4 increment points per season. 

Right now, game relly completly on LUCK , it was like this from day 1 and seems, any changes are made, they keep this. I am not talking about game enginge when i say this, that s another topic , but, the spawns of youth. When a youth is spawned,  his position, trait, skill points are completly random and thats why i say it is LUCK based. Even if you pay 25 E for a youth or 50E, odds for someone willing to go full line into a 4 stars are better to end with a more competitive team than someone which will go with full 5 stars. I did not spent my time to do research about, i just look at training gains. I have a  perfect example, teams of ALIN, he got few 4 stars players with the purpose of beeing the substitution, instead, they are the main squad since start and probably will stay there, in fact, one of his defender is quite in top 5 players after all these seasons.

Over the seasons and with all the changes, game was supposed to not be a pay to win but how on earth, there arent advantages yet, visible ones in teams full of 5 stars and these which are a mixt? At the stage we are now, even if youth sistem its reworked , it will not solve the issue, there must be done as soon as possible a change into training gains, there must be a bigger difference into a 4 star player and 5 star players. The difference its just 25% into train per star, and since in this game, the older player gets, the less ineficient become the training as age multiplier lowers, this 25% means less and less.

There must be made either a buff into 5 stars players , letting them gain faster skill or just lower the 4 stars, but please, if this change is made, made it be impactfull on the players that are now aged over 24 years, dont make it to scale same from age 15-17 or we get to the point where, new players will just be better than the ones spawned in day 1 which will just kill the game. 

In my opinion, as long as this issue isn t fixed, game will stay at this all time low level, rewards will just get lower and lower, all new players which will wanna be competitive will focus exclusively on 3-4 stars players since are cheaper, even the ones on market and it will just be same. The expenses into game should raise, the rewards should raise but instead we going oposite way.

We know your main focus now Nicmo is on getting translated this game as you think it will raise the player base( thats not 100% it will work) is wrong, it can be already done with any browser by using a translator, in my opinion, your focus should be on delivering best content and updates to your curent players while working into increasing your playerbase. IF quality comes, surely players come.

You said , the goal is to build a realistic game and not a pay to win, but then, if nobody pay, who will feed the lootpool? It feels like you re addming some  updates  once a while which dont bring any impact into game. The latest update which is the perfect example is this " weight, foot" thing, some people have spend a lot , got this thing going as it should and what a surprise, it doesnt bring extra improves but giving them worse results.

More than this, there are coming too many cash grab events which dont bring any quality to game, dont get me wrong,  i dont mind them since i can just skip, but, i m here to play a football game, i paid a few Thousands Euro for it and i dont see that my expenses are justified. Some of these cash grab events are : shares, been a masive boost, your work for game was rewarded, thats normal, but shares are now just a way to milk away almost most of game budget, PF gains are higher than any other fund, active players contribute to much into PF. Second cash grab  is this VCT token , everyone just went for it to make some fast cash, some managed to do it , who bought at start is facing a nice profit, but then what there is no way everyone can profit, for someone to profit, other must lose, once the persons who bought at early days decide to sell, those who joined later and will find themself in a bad red position will ever deposit again in KOB? i doubt. I hope i m wrong and VCT to be a big boost to game  but, apart Speculation , there is no real gain, game reward is too small compared with any other stake possible with any crypto, the game reward doesnt worth the risk of the crypto Volatity and anyway, this VCT its just not bringing any quality to game, all expenses, no matter how big will be will be made off game, game budget will never get a penny of this.

Hope you find a solution to make things fair, now, while something can still be made about, if not, you kinda need to find a completly new playerbase in a few months when curent players retire, wonder how many will spend again few Thousands of Euro to play this game when rewards are so small. I was hoping to see season after season, higher expenses, higher rewards, but we had just higher expenses and less rewards, season after season, it took a titan work to finnaly  get a rework into wages, this should have been made way earlier and without having to "Fight" so much for it.

As a conclusion, i do not believe that this statement applies here " game is not a pay to win" when everything cost money, players cost money and all "features" which teoretically, should raise players performance ( weight, foot, multiple role positions) someone willing to spend a fortune colecting all top players should win, in most cases, not always, there are always bad games but now, there are too many of bad games and rewards dont justify the expenses and at this stage, is not managers fault who spent for this, we had huge rewards, its just the game's fault for not delivering good changes to hold rewards at a closer amount every seasons if increasement couldn t be done.

Looking forward for everyones input.

Adrian

>Over the seasons and with all the changes, game was supposed to not be a pay to win but how on earth, there arent advantages yet, visible ones in teams full of 5 stars and these which are a mixt?

This is simply not true. This is an investment game. It is 100% pay to win. There are no attempts of comeback mechanics, but investing. There are no ways of being clever. We kinda just need to accept this fact and play it like this I think. This game is like a casino of micro-transactions, where the house always wins. It can still be fun to gamble even knowing to are doomed to lose out in the long run. :)

@Iordaust, there was a time when game could be considered an investment game, when there existed a carrot people chould fight for. If prizez were allocated in a right manner and the promises updated would come , probably we wouldnt be in this situation. But now, people who considered it like an investment, decided to go for and found out now that, there isnt  any more a big carrot to fight for, apart a trophy there is no more a Financial incentive. Looking straight at curent season rewards, wining CL will pring you after fees 256E and then, withdrawing will end giving you a net of 200E on your personal account ( i m not looking to win all the investment back at once, lol, definetly not, but at least, to be able to do so in a few months and why not, by dominating the game and wining it hard, maybe end on profit). Now, seeing this potential reward which, by my logic should be imposible to be achieved by someone aquiting the cheapest players he can find on auctioner, no matter stars, i find hard that a fresh new person who get into game will wanna fight for ....

I might be wrong , but i think oposite, if cost to play goes up, the funds into game going up, the interest into game will go up. Surely people would like to spend a few thousands Euro to be the winner of main competition Champions League as long as reward stands at a high level, a few thousands of Euro, having a few months needed to win back investment instead of now, just making infrastructure upgrades requires to win CL a few times to get back the investment, not naming the cost to aquire such players. I get it, its a game, but it is a real cash game, as long as there doesnt exist a profitability for a few of us, interest will get to 0. Let people ego fight to get on top of the mountain , no matter the cost, rather then just limitating posibilities like now and rewarding the luckier manager.

We were supposed to have national teams, youth leagues, main reasons probably why most of us made the pulls for his own country, etc, but we got what?... 

Game changes always in the favour of people which are not willing to spend to get better but aiming to win bigger. The remove of global market and product for energy, it came as a request of lower budget team, it killed by a lot the GF income , instead, when it was removed, there wasnt  added a fair wage sistem able to sustain it, it was just an extra expense for those who already spend a lot to aquire best players ...

The statement about " can be fun gambling" not sure it will apply for a long time once funds will get lower and lower....

I think that you guys should leave that Romanian Whatsapp group and start thinking for yourselves, i read so many wrong stuff i don't even know how to reply to be honest.

So, there isnt any Romanian whatsapp FYI, and anyway, is this " Romanian WHatsapp " the reason why, after 11 seasons, there is no difference beetween players of 5 stars and 4 stars, there isnt any national league feature going on, there is no youth league, , the both foot players dont do better than they did when were 1 foot only, the GF income its a few hundreds Euro a month while the allocated funds for rewards are 1000E ( is the romanian whats up the reason for this negative income? doubt, we are contributing the most), we had so big wages for a few months which lowered the interess for high skilled players to 0, the cost to play has became higher than the income for those who aimed END Game?

Guess is about time for some easter shares sale , it will boost game economy and make things moving,  i guess...

>I think that you guys should leave that Romanian Whatsapp group and start thinking for yourselves, i read so many wrong stuff i don't even know how to reply to be honest.

I think suggestions should be short and articulated, writing 2 pages of complaints without real suggestion will not improve game